Am I the only one who thought that the finale was the worst episode of the shoe? (I still liked it but they set such a high standard for themselves, especially in Season 2)
What's on your mind?
Does anyone know how much time is in between each book? like how long exactly they were in Olaf's care and so on. i'm attempting to write a fanfic and it would be crazy helpful if i knew how much time was in between the Baudelaire fire and the quagmire fire. and how much time is in between the Baudelaire fire and the time they were at school.
Did they finaly make people just look too stupid?
Am I the only one who thinks scrapping off the henchpeople was a big mistake?
I am an ASOUE theorist. In tumblr my nickname is Snicket Strange. Basically, I have innovative, coherent and controversial theories about ASOUE. In addition, I am a member of 667 Dark Avenue Answering The Wrong Questions, and I'm the winner of the Volunteer of The Year (2019) award. (In 667 Dark Avenue I use the nickname, jeanlucio10.) I would like to share with you my most popular and internationally accepted theory as totally almost canonical. It is The Great Unknown Theory.
For a long time I thought The Great Unknown was Bombinating Beast and just that. When I talked to Dante, who is one of the administrators of 667 Dark Avenue Answering The Wrong Questions, he explained to me that in TGG there is evidence that points out that TGU is a submarine. We discussed the subject amicably but neither I convinced him nor he convinced me.
On May 24, I was eating an octopus at a themed seafood restaurant. All the waiters were wearing clothes by character, and I felt surrounded by an atmosphere of ASOUE. That’s when I paid attention to the octopus suction cups on my plate. Then I had a revelation about the Great Unknown. Because of this revelation, I had to read again some texts, I had to consult a marine biologist, a mechanical engineer, and Laerte. Laerte is an English expert, who knew nothing about ASOUE, so his opinion was completely neutral. And after these considerations I came to the conclusion that I was wrong about the Great Unknown, at least in part.
To begin with: Lemony refers to the interrogation format seen in Queequeg’s sonar with being an ‘underwater craft’ (TGG p 85).
Lemony wrote about the first appearance of the question mark:
“There was a third shape of glowing green light, this one the biggest of all, a huge curved tube with a small circle at the end of it, slithering toward the center of the screen like a snake. But this third underwater craft didn’t look like a snake.”
So … There’s a big difference between believing The Great Unknown is a submarine in 2007 and continuing to believe The Great Unknown is a submarine in 2019. The difference is the ATWQ series of books. ATWQ explains that there is a gigantic marine animal in the form of a question mark, which moves at high speeds, and is able to be controlled by sounds. So a person who continues to believe in 2019 that The Great Unknown is a submarine is consequently a person who believes there is this gigantic animal in the form of questioning, AND ALSO there is a submarine that was built in the form of a gigantic question mark. That is, whoever believes that the Great Unknowing is a submarine, do not fail to believe that there is also a gigantic question-mark animal in the oceans of the universe of ASOUE. And when I thought better of it, I realized that I have no real reason to disagree with it. In fact, it was I who created the theory called “Daniel Handler duplicates events to confuse you”. So, from my lunch at the seafood restaurant, I came to believe that Daniel Handler doubled the Great Unknown to confuse us. And this is not just a non-canonical hypothesis. In fact, the Carmelita submarine explains everything.
The first correct question is: Who built the Carmelita submarine?
The second right question is: Why does the Carmelita submarine have no torpedoes?
The third right question is: Why the submarine Carmelita has the shape of a giant octopus?
The fourth correct question is: What did the sailors of the universe of ASOUE look at in the oceans in the shape of a question mark?
But before answering these questions, I need to confirm to explain what I have found about sonars and echolocation systems used by some animals. I believed that when Olaf spoke about the sonar that the huge question-mark entity possessed, he might be talking about a biosonar. But I was wrong. The functioning mechanism of the echolocation of some animals consists of the following: the animal emits a sound, the sound is reflected by the objects, then the animal hears the reflected sound. Even if the object in question does not emit any sound, it will be detected, for what the animal hears is the echo of the sound that it produced. On the other hand, there are artificial sonars of two types. One of them works using the same operating principle as the echolocation system. The other type works by listening for the sound produced by the objects that are detected.
The wikipedia explains thus:
“Two types of technology share the name” sonar “: passive sonar is essentially listening for the sound made by vessels, active sonar is emitting pulses of sounds and listening for echoes.”
Fiona explained which of the two types was the Sonar used at the time in the universe of ASOUE:
“We can tell if any other undersea craft are approaching us by detecting the sounds they make.” TGG, chapter 4.
Olaf also did the favor of explaining the kind of sonar that he believed existed in the giant question mark format thing:
“I guess you’d better come with me,” the count said wearily. “But no tap-dancing! We don’t want to show up on their sonar!” (TGG capítulo 13)
Thus, Olaf certainly believed that the sound produced by the tap dance could cause the Queequeg or the Carmelita to be detected in their sonar. This means that Olaf was talking about a submarine with passive sonar, not a biosonar.
So who could have built that submarine in the form of a giant question mark? Certainly it was the same organization that built the sub in the form of giant octopus. In fact, when you come to that conclusion everything starts to make sense. There is an evil organization that is an enemy of both the firefighting side of the Schism and the incendiary side of Schism.
This evil organization has the habit of building submarines in the form of marine beasts. But the most interesting thing is to understand why this organization had this custom.
And to understand this you just have to understand why the Carmelita did not have torpedoes.
And the answer to that question is so cool … I do not know if I was the first to realize it … And if I went, I feel really proud of myself.
The answer is that there are no more firearms in the universe of ASOUE, or at least there are no more firearms in the region where the main story takes place.
But the firearms already existed, and were known. In the play “La Fuerza Del Destino” was portrayed a firearm. But at no time during the ASOUE events or during ATWQ, is a firearm portrayed, not even by villains. I’d rather believe that at some point VFD, by fighting against fire, managed to eliminate the technology of building firearms. So the villainous organization that built submarines of war, needed other mechanisms to destroy other submarines and ships, and even airplanes. Olaf explained how the Carmelita worked in this respect:
“This submarine is one of the greatest things I’ve ever stolen,” he bragged. “It has everything I’ll need to defeat V.F.D. once and for all. It has a sonar system, so I can rid the seas of V.F.D. submarines. It has an enormous flyswatter, so I can rid the skies of V.F.D. planes. It has a lifetime supply of matches, so I can rid the world of V.F.D. headquarters. It has several cases of wine that I plan to drink up myself, and a closet full of very stylish outfits for my girlfriend. And best of all, it has plenty of opportunities for children to do hard labor!” – TGG chapter 9.
The way the Carmelita attacked the Queequeg, using the tentacles, shows that the submarine was octopus shaped for functional reasons: in addition to allowing navigation, the tantacles were designed to be used as weapons.
But note the detail: Olaf had to steal the Carmelita. Did he steal from VFD? I think not. One reason is this excerpt from Chapter 9:
. "I’m going to lock all of you in the brig, which is the official seafaring term for Jail.” “We know what the brig is,” Klaus said. “Then you know it’s not a very pleasant place,” the villain said. “The previous owner used it to hold traitors captive, and I see no reason to break with tradition.”
The idea I have about this dialogue is that the owner already owned a place intended for traitors … As if that was already part of the submarine’s design. It is unlikely that you will create a submarine already thinking there will be several uprisings in the crew, and already create a place to arrest those who revolt if the organization that you are part of is formed by volunteers. However, if your crew is made up of slave laborers, this is more likely. If you stop to think about the means of Carmelita propulsion, you will realize that it was designed to be moved to human labor. In fact, the whole scenario of children being rowing to move the submarine, is very reminiscent of a type of real vessel, called Galley. The wiki explains:
"A galley is a type of ship that is propelled mainly by rowing. The galley is characterized by its long, slender hull, shallow draft and low freeboard (clearance between sea and railing). Virtually all types of galleys had sails that could be used in favorable winds, but human strength was always the primary method of propulsion. Galleys were the warships used by the early Mediterranean naval powers, including the Greeks, Phoenicians and Romans…. It was only in the early 16th century that the modern idea of the galley slave became commonplace. Galley fleets as well as the size of individual vessels increase in size, which required more rowers. … All major Mediterranean powers sentenced criminals to galley service, but initially only in time of war.“
If you’ve already watched Ben Hur you must remember his scene in a Galley. Well then, the Carmelita was built like a Galley. VFD would not do that. Queequeg’s propulsion does not require a large crew, only one captain and two crew members. Did the Carmelita come from the incendiary side of Schism? No. Olaf would not need to steal the Carmelita from the incendiary side. The Netiflix Series left those details aside. They showed that the Carmelita came from members of the incendiary side of Schism, but for this they needed to change the original story. In the books, the Carmelita was stolen by Olaf. He can only have stolen from another organization.
And then things get more interesting.
We come to realize that there is a relationship of cause and effect: Why was an entity in the form of a gigantic question mark chasing after the Carmelita? And why was Olaf so afraid of this entity? And why was Windershins so afraid? The answer is as follows: Olaf stole the Carmelita from a maligian organization, which builds war submachines and uses slave laborers. This organization sent an even larger submarine than the Carmelita, to be able to capture the Carmelita back. This even larger submarine had been built in the shape of a legendary monster: Bombinating Beast.
This explains this passage from Chapter 4 of TGG:
"What was that third shape?” Violet asked. The captain shook his head again. “Something very bad,” he said. “Even worse than Olaf, probably. I told you Baudelaires that there is evil you can not even imagine.”
The organization that controlled that submarine was a common enemy of Olaf and VFD.
This explains why Windershins first feared the entity in the form of interrogation. He said it was probably worse than Olaf. The word “probably” indicates that he had doubts, whether it was the real beast, or whether it was the evil organization’s submarine. If it was the submarine, it would really be worse than Olaf. But the beast was just an animal. Although it was mortal, the animal was not worse than Olaf.
Not necessarily the submarine that appears in the Queequeg sonar has literally the shape of a question mark. As Captain Windershins explained, what is seen in sonar is only a two-dimensional projection of something in three dimensions. He likened this to the shadow in a cave. We realize that this is exactly the case when we think again of the Carmelita submarine. The Carmelita appears on the sonar in the shape of an eye. This is because this is the two dimensional projection of the true shape of the Carmelita, which is a giant octopus.Lemony had explained a little earlier in TGG Chapter 4:“But this third underwater craft didn’t look like a snake. ” And then:“What was that third shape?” Violet asked. The captain shook his head again. "Something very bad,“ he said. "Even worse than Olaf, probably. I told you Baudelaires that there is evil you cannot even imagine.” “We don’t have to imagine it,” Klaus said. "We saw it there on the screen.“ "That screen is nothing,” the captain said. "It’s just a piece of equipment, aye? There was a philosopher who said that all of life is just shadows. He said that people were just sitting in a cave, watching shadows on the cave wall. Aye – shadows of something much bigger and grander than themselves. Well, that sonar detector is like our cave wall, showing us the shape of things much more powerful and terrifying.“ Thus Captain Windershins’ explanation is that what is seen in sonar is not necessarily equal to reality, and this fact is exemplified by the shape of the Carmelita being different from what is presented in sonar. Whatever the true shape of this submarine, it is more powerful than a simple gigantic question mark. Carmelita’s tentacles made it possible for the submarine to be used as a weapon. Similarly, I believe the true shape of that secret submarine would allow the submarine itself to be used as a much more powerful weapon. Klaus said he did not need to imagine the true shape because he had seen it on the sonar. But according to Windershins, the format he saw was not to be regarded as true.Anyway, what the Baudelaires saw through the Queequeg window, really had the shape of a giant question mark. What Kit described as having seen in TE also had the shape of a giant question mark. I will say that Kit may not have seen the Great Unknown completely, and she may have seen only the projection of the TGU reflection on the surface of the water. This projection would also be in two dimensions, and might form a question mark when viewed from outside the water, especially if you take into account the effects of refraction. Despite this, I find it unlikely that a submarine if observed from the surface of the water would have the shape of a quetion mark identical to what was observed in the sonar, just as it is unlikely that if it were the submerged Carmelita it presented the shape of an eye to an observer out of the water. I can only say that it is unlikely that a submarine would cause the effect of making so many people disappear so suddenly. A submarine would have to open a hatch, and each of them would enter quietly through the hatch. According to Lemony, the Quaquimires entered a humid place.
TE chapter 8:“The children traveled in the dark, just as many other people had done before them, from the nomadic travels of the Cimmerians to the desperate voyages of the Quagmire triplets, who at that very moment were in circumstances just as dark although quite a bit damper than the Baudelaires’, and as the children drew closer and closer to the island that had abandoned them … ”
They were not destroyed by deadly devices without having entered the moist place. In addition, I use again the argument that Captain Windershins preferred to go to the question mark instead of running away from it. If Windershins believed that it could be the mortal submarine, it is unlikely that he would choose to go there rather than escape from there. Windershins was afraid of that submarine, for it represented something worse than Olaf, according to his own words.
This attitude of Widdershins can only mean one thing: He knew that the animal that had a question mark shape could be controlled. Windershins believed that someone was controlling that animal. After all, trained animals are nothing new in the ASOUE universe. Interestingly, VFD eagles were controlled by whistles, and these eagles could carry people. Similarly, the question-shaped animal could carry people inside its mouth. It may seem strange, but if you stop to think about it you will see that everything starts to make sense. Winddershins preferred to swim to the TGU rather than run away, even though Kit begged him to run away. Running away was a real possibility, which is why Kit managed to escape. That only makes sense if Winddershins knew the animal was there to save them. Even more interesting is that one of the Quaqumire shouted the name "Violet!" while he was about to enter the beast's mouth. Sunny asked which one of them had shouted it, but that was the wrong question. The right question would be, "Why did they prefer to go to TGU even though Kit begged them to flee and yet one of them shouted the name Violet before TGU made them suddenly disappear from the water's surface?" The answer is simple: One of the Quaqumire saw someone inside the beast's mouth. Someone alive who was controlling the beast. This person was a woman who looked like Violet. Who was this woman and how was she managing to control TGU? I will answer this in other texts.
In The Slippery Slope Klaus notices an inscription with the 'four' words "The World Is Quiet Here." Was it originally supposed to say "The World's Quiet Here" or is there some significance to this?
I absolutely love ASOUE! I've read all the books, seen the movie, and watched the Netflix series multiple times!
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Okay, you shouldn't be able to see this from just scrolling through...
THE BOMINATING BEAST SWIMS WITH IT'S TAIL CURLED UP LIKE A HUGE UNDERWATER QUESTION MARK! Coincidence? I think not!
this also leads to my theory: The Bominating beast statue is in the Sugar Bowl. Everyone is trying to get the sugar bowl. Everyone is trying to get The Bominating Beast.
This does interfere with the assumption that Kit was trying to steal the Sugar Bowl from the Museum of Items during AtWQ, although this is never explicitly stated.
Hey, so I'm new here. I've watched ASOUE at least eight times through, and read the whole book series twice. I have literally the hugest freaking crush on Malina and it's (highly likely) unhealthy. Thanks for listening!
(Tv series, not the book.)
(First time making a theory, so this isn’t much accurate.)
1. Flare is launched when eagles attack the mobile home, and Kit Snicket is sent to help Hector and the Quagmires. But the purpose for Lemony Snicket?
2. Quagmires were not conceived dead, but not alive, at the end,
3. No wreckage of the mobile home in the island. (All things will soon end there at some point)
4. Kit was attacked by the great unknown, and there was no mention of the triplets onboard the submarine,
5. Kit Snicket survived by making a raft out of books, but she was the only one. The Quagmires were not found on the raft, and I highly suspect that Kit Snicket, being pregnant and almost dead, couldn’t have lived on her own. She must have had help.
6. The Mobile home did not crash during the scene, and Kit was somewhere close by judging by the distance from the beach to the mobile home. The mobile home, however, was designed to carry 6-7 people and was hit by a harpoon 3 times, so it was almost likely to be lightly defended for birds. But no evidence of this was found.
Conclusion A. Kit Snicket must have had help with the raft, and therefore, must have been helped by the Quagmires, But, the Quagmires could have been devoured by the great unknown while helping. So, the Quagmires must have been alive and crashed nearby the submarine.
Conclusion B. Looking at the raft made by Kit Snicket (or see above,) the Quagmires and Hector should have had time to build a raft safely and land on the beach, somewhat alive.
Conclusion A Counter. If the Quagmires helped Kit snicket, then the great unknown would have been nearby, or the eagles would also be near. This proves to be either be a selfish or a sacrifice for someone who knows more about V.F.D.
Conclusion B Counter. (See above)
Final conclusion of theory.
The Quagmires died to save Kit, or a miracle must’ve happened and Kit was able to save herself.
I was wondering if Madame Lulu is the librarian from the Austere Academy (book 5), or if that is just in the Netflix series.
In the Netflix series, it is said that Olivia was the librarian from Prufrock Prep, and I was wondering if she was just like that in the Netflix series.
The poem he quotes before dying is one of my favourite poems called This Be The Verse by Phillip Larkin:
"They f*ck you up, your mum and dad.
They may not mean to, but they do.
They fill you with the faults they had
And add some extra, just for you.
But they were f*cked up in their turn
By fools in old-style hats and coats,
Who half the time were soppy-stern
And half at one another’s throats.
Man hands on misery to man.
It deepens like a coastal shelf.
Get out as early as you can,
And don’t have any kids yourself."
I can see why Olaf only quoted the last stanza lol
i was reading through the "unauthorized auto-biography"(or beatrice letters its been a few days) and lemony stated "i sometimes forget to call O, L and L, O. we all know olaf is probably O. is olaf his actual name if we used to call him L? this is just a theory, O may not be olaf at all.