I'm relatively new to this whole business! I've got a suggestion that I'm going to present as a question so that you can tell me whether or not it would work:
I notice that the "Biography" on character pages (especially for main characters) does a great job of synthesizing a character's life before and after the series that they appear in, but just regurgitates the plot of the books in the middle, to the point where it becomes rather irrelevant to the characters themselves. Would it not be better to replace all of that in the middle with a link to the actual book's plot on its wiki page, and then include in the character's biography a few important points representing growth etc. that the character experiences in that book? E.g. replace the "Grim Grotto" section of Klaus' biography with a link to the disambiguation page for that book, then mention a few important points about Klaus' life at the time (such as his romantic relationship with Fiona in the tv series and the implied relationship in the books). That section currently begins:
"The Baudelaires are under the sea after being picked up by a submarine. They meet Captain Widdershins and Fiona. It is unknown if she took her stepfather's last name or not. Captain Widdershins is the sort of man who takes some getting used to, being very outspoken, confusing, and true to his motto 'He (or she) who hesitates is lost'."
While it's true that the change would have a rather wide scope and would take a while, would it be an ideal state of affairs, at least in theory? Thanks so much. Bye the bye, what does "Content Moderator" mean? You are one, I assume you know.
Hi, you're right in that biographies shouldn't just rehash the whole book, but rather, focus on the book from that character's perspective. Yeah, the whole "it is unknown if she took her stepfather's name" is unnecessary and should be removed. If you see content like that, do your best to edit it. Links should only be in headings, however, and should link directly to the book, there's no need to link to a disambiguation page.
A content editor is similar to an admin but has less privileges (can't ban people for example). I'm very busy these days and am tired of having a lot of responsibility. If you have further questions, you should ask Neverland8 since they're more active, but I do check here from time to time. Best wishes.
Once again, sorry to bother you with such a small thing, but I'm wondering if we should rename pages with V.F.D. to VFD (ie: V.F.D. Apprentice vs VFD apprentice). Whie the acronym is spelled with periods in the books, it makes for difficult navigation, as one has to remember to type each period when searching or referencing. I think it'd be easier to switch to VFD but I'd like to run it by you first.
If the books use V.F.D., then all instances should be V.F.D. on this wiki. We shouldn't sacrifice accuracy because people might be lazy, altho you can make VFD redirects.
Also, I'm not so sure about the second parts being capitalized. I notice we have "V.F.D. Crows" "V.F.D. Eye" "V.F.D. Training" but I think we should make it "V.F.D. crows", "V.F.D. eye" "V.F.D. training" etc. I don't think "apprentice" is capitalized either in the books?
Hmm, I don't know. I agree that accuracy to the books should be first and foremost, but it does make difficulty with redirecting and navigation. And it's less "laziness" and more just simple navigation for casual wiki users. Again, expecting everyone to remember to put periods between letters every time they try to find a VFD/V.F.D. article seems strange.
And I do think that the second parts should be capitalized in titles- in proper English capitalization for article titles, capitalization goes to:
First and Last word
Nouns, pronouns, verbs, adjectives, and adverbs
Unless it's the first or last word, articles, prepositions or coordinating conjunctions (a, in, and) are not capitalized
I just don't really get who's having issues. Even if someone types "VFD" into the search bar at the top, the correct article will show up as long as there is a redirect, so no one will need to remember it.
Fully capitalized articles is incorrect according to Wikipedia's rules, as seen if you click here. It's why their article is called "French fries" and not "French Fries". While this isn't Wikipedia, it's the most accepted norm for most wikis. I would change "Baby Talk Dictionary" to "Baby talk dictionary", for example, but The Littlest Elf doesn't need to be changed because it's the title of the book/show. "Lucky Smells Lumbermill" is also correct because it's the proper business name.
(I'm sorry I keep messaging you, I just want to make sure that I go over possible edits with another mod before going through with it, I don't want to make unfounded assumptions or overcomplicate things! Thank you for responding to me each time.)
I had a relatively small idea for character infobox edits. I was thinking it might be useful to add, under the section of "Affiliation", a section for "Interest"- thinking of a title like Noted Interest or Special Interest. Snicket characters all tend to have one major interest that helps define them- inventing, researching, writing, journalism, etc. While many of those interests can fall under the "Profession" section, there are many that do not; for example, Friday seems to have a special interest in learning/research but no profession, Sunny technically has no job as an infant, Stew Mitchum seems to have an interest in shooting and ranged weapons that isn't easy to list as an occupation, Florence Smith's interest is in reading and books, etc.
I think this could be helpful as, in the "Snicketverse", a character's interest usually tends to be very important to their personality, and it would be incredibly convenient to have such information in the infoboxes, as those are for quick information and are easy to read through. It makes it fast and simple to find important information if it is included in the Infobox and I think it could be useful. I'd be willing to add it to the infobox code and go through character pages to add it to the ones with a noted special interest myself if we decide to do this.
Let me know what you think, and thank you for your time!
I've been noticing some galleries are long. And not just because I'm adding a lot of pictures lol- I'm referring to the major characters, such as Lemony, the Baudelaires, and Count Olaf, who have a crapton of pictures no matter how much you narrow it down. I'm wondering if for some of the more major characters with more appearances we should have separate gallery pages, such as the ones on Disney Wiki. It would make organization faster and could make the main pages a bit cleaner. Any thoughts?
Sorry for the late reply, been busy. I think we should leave them for now, mainly because this wiki has the "grid" gallery style where it doesn't load all images at once, but instead, loads 8 per gallery tag. Because of it, I don't see a real reason for independent galleries (although if the wiki didn't use the grid style, I would agree with you).
Also, thanks for putting the book images back on. Just remember, images should be by the relevant paragraph, they should all have captions, and they should be 250px.
I know I'm not the most active person here (quite a Litotes haha), but I'll just throw in my two cents and ask if the grid style is really best for this Wiki? As bureaucrat Neverland8 mentioned, there are a lot of images on the most viewed articles. Usually this isn't a problem because most Wikis use the usual galleries and the images are on a separate page, so it doesn't cause slow loading problems and one does not have to click a button to get 8 new images. However, on this Wiki, it seems fit to consider altering the gallery style so that readers have easy access to view every image and find the one they're looking for if needed, on the most visited pages.
Also, Neverland, you seem to sign your name in every message you send. Would you prefer a style signature (namely colors and fonts) similar to my own? (And to you, AlexShepherd).
@AlexShepherd that makes sense, yeah. I was also wondering if it would be a good idea to categorize characters by generation- just the "chilld"/"adult" categories would be very boring and could get confusing with characters who are both in different stories (lemony in atwq and asoue for example), but dividing it by generation could make it easier to navigate between pages of the adults in asoue/kids in atwq, the kids in asoue, etc. I know in the tumblr fandom we use the terms "Schism Generation" (MWBBNH, WWHBNB, Jacob Snicket, etc), "Sugar Bowl Generation" (Lemony, Ellington, Olaf, etc) and "Unfortunate Generation" (Violet, Fiona, Bea II, etc.) I'm not sure, though, would that categorization get confusing? Do you have any thoughts on this?
I think grid style is fine, but Neverland, I still think you're posting way too many pics, as seen on Fiona's article. It's unprofessional. Look at ""So you're not dangerous?" and "Smirk", there is no need for Smirk. We don't need images for every sentence and facial expression out there.
And no thanks, I don't need a special signature.
As for generation I highly recommend against using any fan-name generations. I would actually just stick to "Child" and "Adult" categories, and for Lemony Snicket, you could include Child, as well as for any char seen as a child. I would rename the Child category "Child/Teen" if possible, it seems more respectful and easier to to know that anyone 19 and under fits in the category.
Someone on the comments of Sunny's page mentioned wanting a list/dictionary of the terms Sunny uses throughout the books. I think that might be an interesting page to add to the wiki; I would be willing to compile, format and post it all, but I was wondering what you thought of the idea.
Go for it. Would also be a nice idea to have a notes section detailing if each phrase is a reference for something, and note which book or media it came from.
That being said, I wonder what in the world is with some of the edits lately. Editor VillainsSpellBadly claimed on Quigley's and Klaus' article that he's part of some Violet fan club. Same goes for Larry's article. There's no mention of any Violet or Jacquelyn fan clubs in the series, I believe. There's also people seemingly jumping the gun with assumptions. Readstories2 is claiming many characters died, ignoring that the Carnival "freaks" may have simply been threatened and ran off in fear, and they also ignored that Larry takes a deep breath before being dunked. Could you please fix and keep and eye on strange edits?
Ah, gotcha. Sorry, I haven't been editing very thoroughly recently due to College exams coming up. But I've got most of my homework for the week finished already so I should be alright to go. Thank you! :D
I'm wondering your opinion on something. I've slowly been gathering the illustrations from FU:13SI (I currently have all of them but the full illustration for "Vanished Message" and some of the Sub-File B headers). I was wondering if I should replace the headers from square photos w/ white background to transparent circles (adding an example below); it firstly means I don't have to worry about centering the circle in the screenshot and we don't have to worry about so much white space. Conversely, I'm not sure how if it will look alright. Do you have an opinion on this?
Let's get to know each other! As you likely have learned already, I planned to adopt the wiki, and my attempt was successful. Judging by the vibes and activity of SOTO, as mentioned in my last blog post, I do not think he will be returning.
I am wondering if you would accept content moderator, and soon enough, administrator, rights for this wiki? You seem fairly active and are, as you have stated, the #1 fan for this FANDOM.
Then again, I also wonder why you have not received rights previously, and whether or not it had something to do with SOTO and his views. Regardless, I hope you accept and that we can get to know each other better notwithstanding.
I'm pretty sure I don't, but I wouldn't mind being a Content Moderator. I'm just sick of the whole admin responsibility thing, plus I'm over ASOUE a bit now that the TV series is done.
Can you please add the Season 3 eps to the top navigation? It's not hard and shouldn't take more than 2 mins. Just copy and paste the format for Season 2, fill in the book names, and remember that the link to The End is "The End (episode)".
Hey, I don't know if you know this, but I created the Behind the Scenes page (If you did, sorry for repeating myself). I have a lot of pictures and I noticed that not all of them are being shown, even under the "Show More" and "Show Less" captions. Is it because there are so many that the page can't portray them?
It has nothing to do with quantity. There were a lot of formatting errors. You should use the "source editor" (where everything is text), not the "visual editor" because it's easier imo. I fixed it for you.