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  • Hello, On the J.S. page, you reverted my edit. Well, the film had a deleted scene which had a real sailor named Captain Sam. Captain Sham stole his identity basically. How about I add Captain Sam, with two words saying "non-canon" and "film only"?

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    • But thank you in advance for helping me with the Odious Lusting After Finance page.

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    • Does the deleted scene specify the Captain Sam's given name is "Julio". If not, then we have no evidence of him being a JS.

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    • I'm pretty sure it does.

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    • Going through the film transcript, it never even names Captain Sham as Julio. Unless it can be confirmed that this other deleted-scenes only character is actually named Julio, then we have no evidence of him being a JS. Which deleted scene was this from (describe the scene)?

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  • You know that argument? Well, User:IAmMaxB keeps on undoing my edits. He or She admitted it Himself/Herself. Proof: Thread:14098

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    • Yes, the image TANAZ2007 was adding was fan art, which is not allowed by the wiki.

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    • I am sorry. I will fix up the fan theories, and delete the pictures.

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  • To Everyone,

     Please stop editing things to obtain badges. 
    

    They have no meaning at all.

    They are just a reward for doing something that actually HELPS.

    This is just a friendly reminder of the importance of editing.

          -Larry The Waiter 
    
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    • Congrats on your meaningless "Don't Trust Them!" badge. It earned you 10 meaningless points. As you continue earning the meaningless points, you'll continue moving up the meaningless leaderboard.

      By all means, make productive contributions to the wiki – that actually HELPS. But when you're making nonproductive edits to earn badges, that does NOT help. If you're criticizing my lack of recent contributions than again, that does NOT help. All users are volunteers and contribute their time as they can. I'm an admin on multiple wikis, contribute to several others, have a full-time job, and a real life. This is just a friendly reminder of the importance of respecting that other users have lives.

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    • I am respecting you, I just saw AlexSheperd's post and trying to convert that for fellow users. No hard feelings.

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    • You don't have to discourage the users that like the leaderboard.

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    • TANAZ2007,

      1. Why are you reviving a dead conversation to add nothing?
      2. It's Tmmeye who decided to randomly leave messages telling people to "stop editing things to obtain badges", so go hassle him on his wall if you want hassle someone. If someone leaves a nonsense message on my wall, then I'm justified in responding.
      3. So have fun with your meaningless leaderboard, just leave me out of it.
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  • You know, we edit this wiki together, and we're going to be doing a lot of Season 2 work, editing the same articles. I have the feeling that you experience agony whenever you see my name in the recent activity.

    I know we got off on the wrong foot, but I hope you will come to accept me, or at the least, tolerate me, even if we have different styles and methods when it comes to editing.

    I didn't mean to hurt you before when I said "lazy" and "selfish". I was frustrated with your editing style. I worded it as "your mentality is that of someone lazy and selfish" instead of "you are lazy and selfish", but it didn't help, which I thought it would. I still disagree with many of your claims about me, but I'm not here to talk about that right now. I'm not seeking any experiences of superiority here, even if it may not be what you believe.

    I just want to tell you that I have no hard feelings and I hope you feel the same way.

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    • Just a few points before I'm done:

      • Are we going to argue semantics now? When the implementation of "promoting and preserving" is adding all illustrations from the books with the highest resolution possible without providing source, attribution, and copyright information and without asking permission that pretty much is "infringing copyright" and "not sourcing". Just because the copyright holder has better things to do then sue random kids online, doesn't change that.
      • You consider attribution/copyright no big deal. I consider citation needed tags no big deal. So what if the reader sees them. If it helps them realize that not everything on the wiki is guaranteed to be true, that's great. If it makes it clear to them that there is no source provided for the information, that's great. If it encourages them to contribute to the wiki, e.g. adding a source, even better. This wiki is not a professional publication and there are plenty of areas that can use improvement. Pointing that out to readers is a good thing. And if the aim is to make it look like a professional publication, then attribution/copyright of images should be made a priority since all professional publication do so.
      • Wikipedia is a non-profit ran my donations with many interested parties wanting to ensure its continuation. Wikia is for-profit company, one of dozens allowing users to create topical wikis. It's going to continue while it's making a sufficient profit and the stakeholders have interest in continuing. It's been around for a decade but plenty of decade old web services have gone defunct, e.g. GeoCities comes to mind. Sure it'll stay around for now (assuming company's finances are fine), but I sincerely doubt that it'll be the preferred fan source (if it even is now) in a couple decades.
      • If you're going to argue scans aren't good enough, then you should probably not use KitArrested.png as an example. An image that appears in a million book is by no means rare. Nor is the quality obtained by this wiki likely to be Seth's original. Artists make their own decisions on how to best preserve their works. "Preservation" seems to be a code word for all illustrations in the novels should be "free to use" (i.e. upload anywhere you want) and "free to view" – even those that the copyright holder has never made "free to view" (and to my knowledge, none were made "free to use"). Another words, "preservation" seems to be a code word for the copyright holders', e.g. the illustrators', right don't matter.
      • While I'm not legally liable (which I'm not here), it's not my problem if someone wants to upload copyright images. But if they tell me they're doing the copyright holder a favor by uploading their works without even attribution, I'm going to call it BS because that's what it is in my opinion. It's not my job to stop them, but we're having a conversation exchanging opinions and that's my opinion.
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    • AlexShepherd wrote: KitArrested.png wasn't in your eBook.

      Went through physical books & ebooks side-by side – that is the only illustration not in the ebooks.

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  • I am new to these wikis but I want to get involved. Thank you for editing some of my edits and making my first articles a little bit better.

                                                                                   Sincereley,

                                                                                             Madame Lulu

    P.S.: I think I spelled sincereley wrong.

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    • No problem, we all contribute to make the wiki better.

      P.S. I can't spell sincerly either but google tells me "sincerely" is the correct spelling :)

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  • While the one adding information also adding a source is ideal, the reality is, it doesn't always happen. It's kind of like people who litter. You could argue the one who litters is responsible for it, but many people litter anyway. If everyone had your attitude on "responsibility", and no one picked up other people's litter, then we'd be living in a garbage dump.

    Besides, you often add [citation needed] for things which should be easily findable, common knowledge or common sense when you really think about it. Not everything on a wiki needs or deserves a citation, so don't blame others because they don't always feel the need to source info since not everyone adheres to your standards or opinions about what needs a source or not.

    If you feel something deserves to be cited, then it's wiki courtesy to at least try to find a source before adding a [citation needed] template. By intentionally trying to avoid finding citations, especially in a situation where sources are readily available, your mentality is that of someone lazy and selfish.

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    • Look, I don't know what your problem is. I'm not forcing you to do anything. When you've tagged my info with [citation needed] (even though it was from the book), I didn't complain, I added the source. You act like a [citation needed] tag is the end the world. You don't want to add sources, fine leave the tag, I'm not forcing you to do anything. But when I'm going through a page, and find items that should be sourced, I'll tag them as appropriate.

      If something is not from the source material then it should have a source. If you think it's common sense to know a specific piece of trivia which isn't even from the source material, then you need to look up what common sense means. Neither is trivia common knowledge, it's literally trivia.

      I don't litter, but I revert a LOT of vandalism across multiple wikis. So don't talk to me about doing my fair share. I do more than my fair share on this wiki and other wikis. Like every single volunteer on wikia, I do the work I choose to do. I spend a lot hours contributing to wikis. I'm sorry I don't spend my time doing tasks you want me to do, but you don't dictate my life. I don't complain that other users don't do enough or don't do the work I want them to do. I don't call them lazy and selfish. I don't tell their attitude & mentality is terrible. I don't attack them. I have better things to do.

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    • It's a false equivalence. The difference is that I don't have time to scour through a 200-300 page book looking for a source (and if I don't know which book it is, it could be thousands of pages of the whole series), while it takes you like 5 seconds to Google "Neil Patrick Harris tattoo" and link one of like, 50 news articles about it. So yes, it really comes off as lazy.

      You're also making a strawman. I never said Trivia is "common knowledge". I'm saying stuff like Neil Patrick Harris having a tattoo is well-known in the fanbase, and that it's common knowledge that the ASOUE TV series got a generally positive reception, despite a few negative reviews.

      Your last paragraph basically explains your whole mentality. I'm not annoyed at you for "not doing your fair share" (since you view volunteer work in the mentality of "responsibility"), I'm annoyed at you for not having the courtesy/decency to do something relatively simple and easy, and when you're asked to please consider doing this, you get all defensive and say "NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY". How am I not supposed to think of someone who reacts like this as selfish and lazy? And please don't exaggerate. I'm not "attacking" you, I'm merely criticizing your style of editing.

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    • Get off your high horse. I do my work. You do your work. You constantly write your thoughts & speculation as facts. You constantly refuse to use <ref> tags. You constantly write run-on sentences. You make a mess up references, leaving cite errors for other people to clean up. I don't complain that you lack the courtesy/decency not to make all those messes. I don't complain that your attitude and mentality is that your thoughts equate the majority of the fandoms' (which they don't). You called me lazy & selfish, that I lack courtesy & decency. You criticized my attitude and mentality. And then you claim that it's not an attack. Well, fix your own editing. I have better things to do then to deal with like you.

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  • Hello Volunteer, and welcome to the Lemony Snicket Wiki. Thanks for your most unfortunate edit to the The Miserable Mill page.

    Please leave me a message if I can help with anything, and remember that it's not too late to escape.

    The world is quiet here.

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